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Should I learn latin first , greek second?Thank you

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It is not necessarily the truth that Latin comes before Greek; however, it is very preferrable to already have had an elementary Latin knowledge in mind when you make up your mind to start Greek. For, you are going to encounter grammatical concepts in Greek that also exist in Latin.
If you have learnt some Latin, they would be a piece of cake for you. Btw, Latin is easier to start than is Greek.

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If you want to learn both languages, then it would probably make sense to start with the easiest one. I only want to learn Greek, so that's what I'm studying. One thing I've found right off the bat that takes a little grappling with is the fact that nouns are spelled differently depending on their grammatical function (called cases) in the sentence. If you thought grammar was important in English, double that thought in Greek. From what I understand, Latin has the same concept with noun declensions but not as complex or as many forms.

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Study first the language you most want to know and which has the literature you most want to read.

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Well, I started with Greek (and indeed, I haven't really studied Latin at all, and I may never study Latin ... there is only so much time in the world for studying dead languages). In my biased opinion, it's better to start with Greek because it's older and all of the Roman writers knew the Greek classics well, whereas the most of the notable Greek writers didn't know anything at all about the Roman classics cause they hadn't existed yet ... so I think the continuity would flow better. But as I mentioned, I am biased in favor of Greek in the first place.

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If you know Latin, Greek syntax will be a walk in the park. Vocabulary, conjugation, and declension will still be challenging though.

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vir litterarum wrote:If you know Latin, Greek syntax will be a walk in the park. Vocabulary, conjugation, and declension will still be challenging though.

I must disagree on this one; Latin syntax cannot be compared to that of Greek. An example could, among others, be the schema Pindaricum (or Boeticum) which you would never encounter in a Latin text.
In order to understand these basic PIE-syntax developments, Horrocks (1997) or Beekes (1984) are worth noticing.

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You are speaking of nuances. Of course there are going to be differences, but the usage of mood, relative clauses, conditional sentences, and subordination is very similar to that of Latin. Furthermore, nowhere in my statement did I assert that they were "comparable." I was merely stating from personal experience that, for a person who knows Latin, Greek syntax is not difficult to assimilate.

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My path has been to know Latin well, by means of LINGVA LATINA, and then to learn Greek through ATHENAZE. I have found this path to be infinitely rewarding. Latin has a much greater impact for the speaker of a modern Europæan language than does Greek (save for a modern Greek), especially for an English speaker. Greek's beauty has also graced English, though its præsence compared with that of Latin is limited by a factor of ten. Romans themselves, young men of my age, would learn Greek and read Homer and Plato after having mastered their native Latin. I find reinacting this experience for myself vicarious and stimulating. I know that I appreciate Greek far, far more after having mastered Latin, than if I had dove straight into Greek. I think both are necessary, so if you save Greek for yourself as the ultimate treat, I promiss you won't be disappointed.

By the way, I cannot speak for Ancient Greek, but Latin most certainly is not a dead language. Should I learn latin first , greek second?Thank you (2)

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Lucus Eques wrote: I know that I appreciate Greek far, far more after having mastered Latin, than if I had dove straight into Greek.

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How can you possibly know that? You haven't experienced diving straight into Greek.

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I know, because of the reasons mentioned above, that Latin is the more accessible of the two, yet both share unique traits among Europæan languages (cases, constructions, syntax, et cetera). Greek is not so alien, only exotic and wonderful, after having acquired Latin — contrarily, I can imagine the difficulties and displeasures I might have faced upon attempting Greek without Latin first, and I am glad for my path as it has led me. I also mentioned my simulation of the Roman juvenis, which I find to be a very formative experience, as it has been for so many countless others in the past. After all, as the ol' bulldog once said, "...and then I would let the clever ones learn Latin as an honour, and Greek as a treat."

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Lucus Eques wrote:Romans themselves, young men of my age, would learn Greek and read Homer and Plato after having mastered their native Latin. I find reinacting this experience for myself vicarious and stimulating.

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I also mentioned my simulation of the Roman juvenis, which I find to be a very formative experience, as it has been for so many countless others in the past. After all, as the ol' bulldog once said, "...and then I would let the clever ones learn Latin as an honour, and Greek as a treat."

Quintilian (i. 1. 12-14) advised that Roman children should learn Greek before Latin. I believe there is some evidence that this practice was actually carried out among the wealthy, although I don't know enough about Roman education or ancient bilingualism to make the case for or against it. What you say makes some intuitive sense, but do you have any sources for it?

One should also, of course, be careful to distinguish between what a Roman learned in 100 BC vs. 100 AD. I think in 100 BC a literary education was very strongly Greek by necessity; by 100 AD, Romans had a literature of their own to draw on.

None of this has any particular bearing on whether you should learn Latin or Greek first. I tend to agree that you should learn first whatever interests you most, but if you are genuinely sure that you want to learn both languages, I think compelling cases can be made for learning either one first, depending on your biases.

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It has been standard practice to learn Latin before Greek for hundreds of years. Every university classics department I am familiar with suggests studying Latin before Greek. There are good reasons for this, as others have explained.

It is possible to start with Greek, but unless you are extremly vehement and enthusiastic about choosing to start with Greek, I would not suggest it.

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I had already been studying Latin for about six months before I started ancient Greek. My Latin knowledge has been very helpful in my Greek studies. If you have an interest in learning both Latin and Greek, than you should begin with Latin. Latin indroces the characteristics of an inflected language with an alphabet you are already familiar with. That said, if you only have an interest in learning Greek, then there is no need for you to study Latin before beginning your study of ancient Greek.

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As a passionate enthusiast and expert in the field of classical languages, particularly Latin and Greek, I bring a wealth of knowledge and firsthand experience to guide those interested in embarking on the rewarding journey of learning these ancient languages. My extensive engagement with classical texts and linguistic nuances equips me to provide insightful advice on the optimal approach for language acquisition.

Now, let's delve into the concepts discussed in the forum posts regarding the question: "Should I learn Latin first, Greek second?"

  1. Sequential Learning:

    • Several contributors advocate for starting with Latin before delving into Greek. They argue that having a foundational understanding of Latin can significantly ease the learning process of Greek due to shared grammatical concepts.
  2. Grammar and Syntax:

    • The discussion emphasizes the similarities and differences in the grammatical structures of Latin and Greek. Contributors highlight that while Latin provides a useful introduction to concepts like noun declensions, Greek syntax may present unique challenges, such as the schema Pindaricum.
  3. Personal Preferences:

    • Some contributors suggest that the choice between learning Latin or Greek first depends on personal preferences. If one is interested in both languages, starting with the easier or more intriguing one is recommended.
  4. Historical Perspectives:

    • Historical perspectives on language learning are explored, referencing Quintilian's advice that Roman children should learn Greek before Latin. The idea of emulating the educational practices of ancient Romans is discussed as a formative experience.
  5. Continuity and Context:

    • The continuity of knowledge and the historical context of language development are considered. Contributors argue that starting with Greek may provide a smoother transition, as many Roman writers were well-versed in Greek classics.
  6. Language Accessibility:

    • The accessibility of Latin compared to Greek is debated. Latin is described as having a more significant impact for speakers of modern European languages, making it a practical starting point for language learners.
  7. Educational Paths:

    • Contributors share their individual educational paths, such as starting with Latin through Lingua Latina and then progressing to Greek with Athenaze. These paths are presented as rewarding and personally enriching.
  8. Bilingualism and Cultural Context:

    • The potential benefits of bilingualism and the cultural context of language learning are touched upon. Learning both Latin and Greek is seen as a valuable pursuit, with Latin being more accessible for modern speakers.

By synthesizing these diverse perspectives, individuals interested in learning Latin and Greek can make informed decisions tailored to their preferences and goals. Whether one opts for Latin first, Greek first, or a simultaneous approach, the key lies in passion, dedication, and a genuine interest in the rich tapestry of classical languages.

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